Open Letter from Unigen

[Deus Ignotus]

Originally Posted by Rockice

I still can't get over "oncology products" = arimidex/nolvadex. LMAO

Oncology = Oncology is the branch of medicine dealing with tumors (cancer).
Arimidex/nolvadex are originally used for treating cancer.
Makes sense?

In the US multi-dose Cyp in a vial is registered and they're used regularly for sex change patients. You assume they would use UGs? amps/vials is simply a choice of the manufacturer.

lets face it, many legit companies make prods solely for builders (I can't really think of any legit use for 500 anabol tabs, yet I hear they make tons of them).

On the other hand:

Unigen is registred in Thailand (4 prods) but they have had a stock of zero, zilch, nada, for more than 6 months now. As far as I know that is the only country they're registered in. So how do they make a living?

And one really has to wonder about the doses they have, 300mg/ml deca? UG doses...

[Unigen LS]

Unigen-Lifesciences.

Follow up to our statement and to address a few subsequent comments;

Pharmaceutical counterfeiting has been an issue in this industry for years, outside of the US & EU counterfeits are estimated to make up 10-30% of the products on the market. The amount of false information, intentional or otherwise being shared around the internet regarding AAS in particular is astounding.

The term GMP is widely used by some companies in an attempt to appear legit and of high quality, but any company that actually claims to be GMP Certified should be licensed as such.

It may be possible to register products in a few very impoverished countries without being GMP certified, but this is not the case with Thailand, nor anywhere else in South East Asia. In 2008 the countries in SE Asia that make up ASEAN entered into an agreement to standardize the Pharmaceutical registration guide lines, ASEAN Harmonization. Pharmaceuticals need to follow the ACTD format.

Unigen-Lifesciences is incorporated in Hong Kong, Thailand and Singapore, also trademarked throughout the region. Currently we have five products registered in Thailand with several products scheduled for registration in Hong Kong this year.

We made a decision not to list our company details on our site due to the nature of the products. We believe there is a place for these products in medicine but we are also aware of the demand beyond the medical community. Any legit distributor can locate our company in one of the many directories online.

We conduct regular CME accredited seminars in Singapore, Bali and Thailand to help educated physicians on the therapeutic uses of AAS.

All Pharmaceutical MNC’s produce products packaged in multi use vials. Each manufacture packages their products with marketing and application as considerations. Some products are intended for Hospitals, other items for pharmacy dispensing. Products packaged for single use applications are based on the manufactures FDA approved prescribing guide lines for treating a specific indication. Over the last 10 to 15 years “Off label” prescribing had increased. We have chosen to produce our products in the manner we do in order to give both physician and patients more flexibility.

We produce many Non-AAS products packed in ampules, the most basic being bacteriostatic water. Oil based products are no more difficult to package in ampules.

The product photos one reader has posted just underscores the issue of counterfeits. These items are not from Unigen Life Sciences. It should be obvious.

It is correct no legit manufacture would produce any injectable medicine in a sachet. This cannot even be considered a near counterfeit as we have never manufactured any item with such packaging. We would hope if someone did not see an item listed on a manufactures site or that an item was packed differently for sale from an on-line dealer they would be able to conclude they should avoid the product in question.

Amridex and Nolvadex are oncology products; I assume most of your readers know these items were originally developed for breast cancer. They are how ever frequently prescribed for off-label use as part a protocol for TRT in men. How else would they be classified?

Thailand Mims only advertizes products that have been registered by the TFDA, you can view the Thai Reg. numbers at www.mims.com in the Thailand section (not Singapore). Also before publication Mims proof reads all Prescribing information to assure it has been approved by the TFDA. In short, if a product is in the Thai Mims publication it has been registered. Further, only manufactures with real GMP certification can register pharmaceuticals in the country.

We addressed this article because we have had several enquiries, that does not mean we condone how the products may be ultimately used or distributed by resellers we have no control over. Pharmaceuticals from Pfizer, Organon, Lilly, Abbott, Schering, ect all flow thru the same channels, with or without their consent.

Hope this helps.
ULS

[Rockice]

Originally Posted by Deus Ignotus

Oncology = Oncology is the branch of medicine dealing with tumors (cancer).
Arimidex/nolvadex are originally used for treating cancer.
Makes sense?

In the US multi-dose Cyp in a vial is registered and they're used regularly for sex change patients. You assume they would use UGs? amps/vials is simply a choice of the manufacturer.

lets face it, many legit companies make prods solely for builders (I can't really think of any legit use for 500 anabol tabs, yet I hear they make tons of them).

On the other hand:

Unigen is registred in Thailand (4 prods) but they have had a stock of zero, zilch, nada, for more than 6 months now. As far as I know that is the only country they're registered in. So how do they make a living?

And one really has to wonder about the doses they have, 300mg/ml deca? UG doses...

Ummmmm I know what oncology means thanks. I work in the medical field. No one calls or refers to nolvadex and arimidex as "oncology products". LOL. They are always referred to as anti-estrogens even in medicine. Calling them "oncology products" is making them sound more important and more official. It's silly. And I realize Depo-Testosterone is multi dose vial. That's not my point. My point is ALL EUROPEAN/FOREIGN manufacturers put their steroids in amps. ALL HG companies use amps.

This guys from ULS is full of crap. They are UG plain and simple. You can tell by his writing and the way he comes off. I don't care what the nature of their products are, if they were on the up and up they would have legit contact information for anyone and everyone to see. Why does every other company like Jefla, Scheirng, Galenika, Zafa have it?

[Rockice]

Originally Posted by Unigen LS

Unigen-Lifesciences.

Follow up to our statement and to address a few subsequent comments;

Pharmaceutical counterfeiting has been an issue in this industry for years, outside of the US & EU counterfeits are estimated to make up 10-30% of the products on the market. The amount of false information, intentional or otherwise being shared around the internet regarding AAS in particular is astounding.

The term GMP is widely used by some companies in an attempt to appear legit and of high quality, but any company that actually claims to be GMP Certified should be licensed as such.

It may be possible to register products in a few very impoverished countries without being GMP certified, but this is not the case with Thailand, nor anywhere else in South East Asia. In 2008 the countries in SE Asia that make up ASEAN entered into an agreement to standardize the Pharmaceutical registration guide lines, ASEAN Harmonization. Pharmaceuticals need to follow the ACTD format.

Unigen-Lifesciences is incorporated in Hong Kong, Thailand and Singapore, also trademarked throughout the region. Currently we have five products registered in Thailand with several products scheduled for registration in Hong Kong this year.

We made a decision not to list our company details on our site due to the nature of the products. We believe there is a place for these products in medicine but we are also aware of the demand beyond the medical community. Any legit distributor can locate our company in one of the many directories online.

We conduct regular CME accredited seminars in Singapore, Bali and Thailand to help educated physicians on the therapeutic uses of AAS.

All Pharmaceutical MNC’s produce products packaged in multi use vials. Each manufacture packages their products with marketing and application as considerations. Some products are intended for Hospitals, other items for pharmacy dispensing. Products packaged for single use applications are based on the manufactures FDA approved prescribing guide lines for treating a specific indication. Over the last 10 to 15 years “Off label” prescribing had increased. We have chosen to produce our products in the manner we do in order to give both physician and patients more flexibility.

We produce many Non-AAS products packed in ampules, the most basic being bacteriostatic water. Oil based products are no more difficult to package in ampules.

The product photos one reader has posted just underscores the issue of counterfeits. These items are not from Unigen Life Sciences. It should be obvious.

It is correct no legit manufacture would produce any injectable medicine in a sachet. This cannot even be considered a near counterfeit as we have never manufactured any item with such packaging. We would hope if someone did not see an item listed on a manufactures site or that an item was packed differently for sale from an on-line dealer they would be able to conclude they should avoid the product in question.

Amridex and Nolvadex are oncology products; I assume most of your readers know these items were originally developed for breast cancer. They are how ever frequently prescribed for off-label use as part a protocol for TRT in men. How else would they be classified?

Thailand Mims only advertizes products that have been registered by the TFDA, you can view the Thai Reg. numbers at www.mims.com in the Thailand section (not Singapore). Also before publication Mims proof reads all Prescribing information to assure it has been approved by the TFDA. In short, if a product is in the Thai Mims publication it has been registered. Further, only manufactures with real GMP certification can register pharmaceuticals in the country.

We addressed this article because we have had several enquiries, that does not mean we condone how the products may be ultimately used or distributed by resellers we have no control over. Pharmaceuticals from Pfizer, Organon, Lilly, Abbott, Schering, ect all flow thru the same channels, with or without their consent.

Hope this helps.
ULS

You're wrong. Many doctors in the US do NOT prescribe nolvadex and arimidex regularly for patients on HRT. It's not needed number one for HRT doses and number two doctors aren't very well versed in the use of those two drugs for the use of estrogen control in males. And no doctors would ever use tren or eq for HRT. So why produce either of those products? And you're also wrong. Counterfeiting is hardly an issue for legit pharmacies. Yes there is an occasional fake that gets through but pharmacies deal directly with manufacturers like Jelfa etc. If I take my prescription to a pharmacy in Europe and get Jelfa test E or Galenika or Schering I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get the real thing. 10-30% counterfeits is only a problem with the black market. Just ask any representative from Jelfa or Schering. They could give a crap about the black market. They deal directly with distributors and pharmacies. If they cared they'd worry more about counterfeiters but they don't because they don't need to.

You're posts are full of shiat! LOL.

[kevin morris]

Rockice may want to consider abstaining from Rockice usage.

You say you are in the medical field? As what, dish washer at the neighborhood hospital?

No one said anything about accepted TRT protocols in the US, everyone knows the Doc’s concerns are make money, don’t get sued. Arimidex is only “officially” approved for breast cancer, not TRT in men. But when men on TRT have elevated E, small amount of Arimidex or Letrozole are the best options.

http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v.../3901154a.html

This is considered by many doctors involved with Antiaging & TRT to be ideal, very small amounts of Anastrozole is included. The crucial thing is that the E levels must be kept in the normal range, not to low. There’s info about this all over the net.

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_onli...873F5B71.hydra

Your most naïve comment is about counterfeits.
Click on the links below, these figures are based on ALL pharmaceuticals on the market. The numbers don’t even consider that the problem is MUCH worst with AAS meds.

http://securepharmachain.blogspot.co...tatistics.html

http://www.wardhealth.com/index.php/..._the_last_year

http://ir.washburnlaw.edu/bitstream/...aceuticals.pdf

Who do you think has a whole division allocated to protecting against counterfeits? Pfizer, you idiot.......

[Rockice]

Originally Posted by kevin morris

Rockice may want to consider abstaining from Rockice usage.

You say you are in the medical field? As what, dish washer at the neighborhood hospital?

No one said anything about accepted TRT protocols in the US, everyone knows the Doc’s concerns are make money, don’t get sued. Arimidex is only “officially” approved for breast cancer, not TRT in men. But when men on TRT have elevated E, small amount of Arimidex or Letrozole are the best options.

http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v.../3901154a.html

This is considered by many doctors involved with Antiaging & TRT to be ideal, very small amounts of Anastrozole is included. The crucial thing is that the E levels must be kept in the normal range, not to low. There’s info about this all over the net.

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_onli...873F5B71.hydra

Your most naïve comment is about counterfeits.
Click on the links below, these figures are based on ALL pharmaceuticals on the market. The numbers don’t even consider that the problem is MUCH worst with AAS meds.

http://securepharmachain.blogspot.co...tatistics.html

http://www.wardhealth.com/index.php/..._the_last_year

http://ir.washburnlaw.edu/bitstream/...aceuticals.pdf

Who do you think has a whole division allocated to protecting against counterfeits? Pfizer, you idiot.......

Oh brother you're a real genius "Kevin". LMAO! We are talking anabolic steroids not fucking mainstream multibillion dollar drugs. Trust me Jelfa could give a shit how much of their amps are counterfeit. Testosterone represents such a small amount of profit for companies. Plus many TRT patients have their products produced in compounding pharmacies anyways. I don't know how things are in Europe but black market counterfeit steroids are the LEAST of any legit companies worries. If they were Norma would be redesigning their vials every 2 months. Instead they've had the same vial design for 10 years with a few minor security features here and there.

And if you want to google just how prevalent Adex usage is in the medical community google Arimidex and HRT and the first two pages will be bodybuilding and fitness websites. Most Primary MD's couldn't even tell you an average dose for nolvadex let alone Arimidex. It's hardly commonplace as you make it sound dipshit.

[kevin morris]

you're a real genius "Kevin"- I'll take that as a compliment

Trust me Jelfa could give a shit how much of their amps are counterfeit. -You 100% positive on this? I think thats your arse talking again.

I don't know how things are in Europe -makes a change you being honest!! But really if you dont know- dont comment on it!!

If I take my prescription to a pharmacy in Europe and get Jelfa test E or Galenika or Schering I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get the real thing.- Guessing again?? I doubt if you've ever been out of your county, let a lone a European trip.


And if you want to google just how prevalent Adex usage is in the medical community google Arimidex and HRT and the first two pages will be bodybuilding and fitness websites.-c'mon dumbo what does that tell you? I think you really are starting to get it!!:col:

[fitfreak]

Originally Posted by Rockice

Ummmmm I know what oncology means thanks. I work in the medical field. No one calls or refers to nolvadex and arimidex as "oncology products". LOL. They are always referred to as anti-estrogens even in medicine. Calling them "oncology products" is making them sound more important and more official. It's silly. And I realize Depo-Testosterone is multi dose vial. That's not my point. My point is ALL EUROPEAN/FOREIGN manufacturers put their steroids in amps. ALL HG companies use amps.

This guys from ULS is full of crap. They are UG plain and simple. You can tell by his writing and the way he comes off. I don't care what the nature of their products are, if they were on the up and up they would have legit contact information for anyone and everyone to see. Why does every other company like Jefla, Scheirng, Galenika, Zafa have it?

Didn't the rep just say they use amps for other items. It wouldn't be any more difficult for them to use amps than the vials? IMO vials are easier to deal with than amps.

[fitfreak]

Originally Posted by Rockice

You're wrong. Many doctors in the US do NOT prescribe nolvadex and arimidex regularly for patients on HRT. It's not needed number one for HRT doses and number two doctors aren't very well versed in the use of those two drugs for the use of estrogen control in males. And no doctors would ever use tren or eq for HRT. So why produce either of those products? And you're also wrong. Counterfeiting is hardly an issue for legit pharmacies. Yes there is an occasional fake that gets through but pharmacies deal directly with manufacturers like Jelfa etc. If I take my prescription to a pharmacy in Europe and get Jelfa test E or Galenika or Schering I'm pretty sure I'm gonna get the real thing. 10-30% counterfeits is only a problem with the black market. Just ask any representative from Jelfa or Schering. They could give a crap about the black market. They deal directly with distributors and pharmacies. If they cared they'd worry more about counterfeiters but they don't because they don't need to.

You're posts are full of shiat! LOL.

Have you checked into HRT? Or are you drawing conclusions based on your medical background (or use of google). I can't speak for all HRT type clinics, but the only one I checked out closely offered Arimidex to help control estrogen levels.

Didn't Jelfa recently redesign their amps? Aburaihan redesigns their amps all the time.

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