Newbie advice?

[spooner]

29 years old. 6' 2" 190 lbs 8% bf Test 847. I have been this size for 5 OR 6 YEARS. I've adjusted the hell out of my diets and workouts and see minimal gains. A friend of mine thinks I hit my genetic plateau and COULD use to break through it. I know nothing about roids and he never used but obviously knows a lot of guys who did and do. Where should I start? Read The anabolics 2004 cover to cover? See a trainer and get analyzed? Just looking to put on 20 quality pounds, not more. Thanks for any advice.

[Marko]

yeah...be smart and buy anabolics 2004 book..later you will buy anabolics 2005 book..

also do some nice cycle

marko

[spooner]

i've done some more research, how about this?

Week 1-5: Dbol 40mgs ED
Week 1-12: Test Cypionate 400mgs EW
Week 1-11: Deca 300mgs EW
Week 1-12: Nolvadex 10mgs ED

[Marko]

go with enanthate and deca+d-bol,nolvadex and clomids for end

500mg testo 1-12
400mg deca 1-10
40mg d-bol 1-4
20mg nolvadex 1-14
clomids

marko

[bluestrm]

Marko, That is TERRIBLE advice. In the first post he said that he knows nothing about steroids. You should never give cycle advice to someone who has no understanding of it.
How do you know if he even knows about PCT? Just gonna let him crash and suffer? What about gyno? What about diet while on? What about how to hold on to the gains post cycle? Acne breakouts? Hair loss? Increased BP? Insomnia from the cycle? Etc., etc...

[Marko]

my cycle is the best newbie cycle

[bluestrm]

Ha ha! That was funny!
Guess you don't think anyone should use a Test only cycle for a first to see how they will respond and react to it?
Just start them right out on a gram a week!

[bluestrm]

Spooner, your best bet is to look here, or on other forums for research for yourself before you cross over to the dark side without knowing what can happen.
And that big stack that you had down and the one Marko posted are too much for a first cycle.
Deca is well known for shutting people down hard. Even running Clomid/Nolva is sometimes not enough. Often times, HCG is a best bet when using Deca. Regardless, you should do a Test only cycle as your first cycle, when you are ready and knowledgeable enough on the subject.

[GoingBiG]

If you have been like that for that long time... Then you aren't eating enough.. It's that simple...

Marko> Is that the best cycle for a newbie? I think not!!

1: Why make a combo with 3 drugs for the first cycle?`

2: Why so high doses?

Newbie cycles could be:

Cycle #1
1-8: 500 mg Test E/C EW
10: PCT

Cycle: #2
1-10: 250 mg Test E/C EW
1-9: 200 mg Deca EW
12: PCT

Cycle #3:
1-10: 300-400 mg Primobolan Depot EW
12: PCT

[Marko]

i still mean 250mg testo week si too low dosage and only 200mg deca also!!! guys did you already take gear?
you know one 250mg amps of testo have only reall 170-180 mg testosterone..it's too low..he will see results but why not see better results
marko

[GoingBiG]

If you gain 10 pounds on 250 mg Test, are you also gaining 20 pounds on 500 mg Test???
When doing large doses it will be harder to keep gains...

Why do large doses in the first cycle? You don't know how you body will react...

[Marko]

almost all big athlets will sugest you minmum 400mg testoserone a week+some other gear

[spooner]

Thx guys, i'm actually not that dumb-I know what post cycle therapy is.. I'm continuing to read up..don't worry I'm not starting my cycle in 2 minutes or anything, I'm just weighing in different cycle options before I decide..thx again for your input

[Marko]

you are welcome and yes..10 difeent guys will give you 10 diferent ansvers

marko

[GoingBiG]

almost all big athlets will sugest you minmum 400mg testoserone a week+some other gear

But the smart atheletes wont... :wink:

[Marko]

i mean on bodybuilders

marko

[GoingBiG]

i mean on bodybuilders

marko

What ever?! Sometime less is more.. One thing is gaining while on cycle another thing is to keep your gains from the cycle.. I would prefer gaining 13 kg on and keep 10 of them, than gain 20 kg and keep 13 of them...

[Eating Machine]

If you can gain on a little why use more? Most of the gains come from your eating anyway, I think that is the most important aspect for beginers to understand.

I'm somewhere in the middle of you guys on what I recommend for beginners. I like to see test as the basis and an anabolic as well, NO ORALS. Dbol makes strength come up too quickly and can easily cause an injury.

wks 1-10
test enan 500mg / wk
equipose 400 mg / wk
nolva 20mg every day
Proviron 25mg / ed

PCT
week 13 Nolva 40mg per day
week 14 nolva 30 mg per day
week 15 nolva 20 mg per day

There is truth to everyones post so far IMO, and no one has an incorrect position. These drugs affect everyone differently and much of how you react can only be determined by your experimenting.

Spooner, I don't know you, or your stats, but, I think that if you have plateaued, you need to take a serious look at your eating.

You should think of steroids as a way to increase the amount of nutrients that you can uptake and utilize, not a "majic pill".