PDA

View Full Version : A Closer Look at Trenbolone, Part II (Llewellyn, William)


BOs_LAdY
09-09-2008, 11:18 AM
A Closer Look at Trenbolone, Part II
by William Llewellyn (2001)

Click here for A Closer Look at Trenbolone, Part I: http://www.bodyofscience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4411

The Laws

In 1970, Congress passed the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act. Title II of the Act, known as the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), gave the Department of Justice the authority to regulate drugs of abuse. On November 29, 1990 the Anabolic Steroids Control Act was passed, which amended the CSA to include anabolic steroids as schedule III drugs of abuse. The CSA however specifically excludes approved veterinary implant pellets that contain anabolic steroids. Below is an excerpt from the March/April 1999 FDA veterinarian newsletter that explains this issue:

Examples of Schedule III products include androgenic anabolic agents, such as boldenone, testosterone, and stanozolol. Since these drugs are formulated in both injectable and tablet dosage forms and have potential for abuse, they have not been exempted from CSA. Anabolic agents which are used as implants are unlikely to be abused, and therefore are exempted from Schedule III requirements of CSA. An example of these types of drugs is trenbolone acetate which is chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone and defined as a controlled substance under Title 21, Part 1300.01(a)(4) of the CFR. Since it is only approved as an implant, trenbolone acetate is exempted from CSA requirements.

Although excluded from the controlled substances act, such products could still be regulated as prescription drug items. That however is not the case with trenbolone acetate implant pellets at this time. Noting that they are not controlled substances, have been deemed safe, are not used for diseased conditions and the practice of implanting livestock is well understood by those in the industry, The Center for Veterinary Medicine has recommended over-the-counter (OTC) distribution for trenbolone acetate implant pellets. We must remember however that the CSA removes exempt status from any anabolic steroid implant product that is sold with the intent that they are for human consumption. You will therefore not find trenbolone sold in the back pages of the fitness magazines, at least not from a proprietor that wants to stay out of trouble with the law.

The Pellets

I thought the opening section was necessary to help you understand the actual laws as they stand in the U.S. at this time. Trenbolone, in the form of trenbolone acetate cattle implant pellets, are not controlled substances, and are sold over-the-counter in the United States without federal regulation. Currently the most popular such product is Finaplix®, sold by the now merged Hoechst-Roussel Agri-vet Company. This product comes in two forms, Finaplix-H® and Finaplix-S®, which denotes if the product was intended for a Heifer or a Steer respectively. The total dosages of both products are different, with the “H” cartridge containing 100 20mg TA pellets (2,000 mg) and the “S” version only 70 (1,400 mg). The retail price for the H, the more popular item, is about $40. Ivy Animal Health also recently introduced two competing products of similar makeup, sold as Component-TH® and Component-TS®. Their products come in double-sized cartridges, such that the TH version contains 4,000 mg of TA and sells for around $75.00. Versions of both products containing trenbolone and estradiol are also produced, however are excluded from this discussion as they are of no interest to the athlete.

Using the Pellets

As mentioned in the FDA memo above, trenbolone is considered safe, and is excluded from controlled substance laws, specifically because it comes in a form not useable by humans, at least not directly. Trenbolone is normally an injectable steroid, which makes using these pellets extremely difficult. No one is of course going to use a cattle implant gun to administer them, and they can’t just be taken orally, so we must find a more creative way to use them. The pellets themselves are small, hard and contain a good amount of binders in addition to 20mg of TA. Most methods adopted involve administering both the steroid and binders to the person, which should be safe, as the binders were designed for internal use and are non-toxic. Although this list could be much more expansive, below are a few of the more popular methods utilized by bodybuilders.

DMSO

The oldest and probably still most popular way to use trenbolone implant pellets is to make them into a transdermal solution with the use of DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide). DMSO is a natural solvent derived from wood pulp, and is an extremely effective transdermal carrier. It is similarly capable of pulling trenbolone acetate into circulation through the skin. I believe this practice was first suggested by Dan Duchaine many years ago, and is without question an effective way to use this product. To accomplish this, the pellets are simply ground up and added to a solution of 50% DMSO, 50% water (pure DMSO would be too irritating to the skin). It is important to use pharmaceutical (pure) DMSO, and not industrial grade, which will have a good amount of impurity to it. Just enough solution is used to dissolve the desired amount of powder, as this end product is much more a liquid than a gel and runs off the skin easily if too much is applied (alternately a gel form of DMSO could be used). Typically 3 to 4 pellets are used per day, and due to the rapidity in which DMSO penetrates the skin the daily dose is divided into two or three separate applications.

A major drawback to DMSO is that this substance has an extremely pungent odor to it. You can usually pick out someone taking trenbolone this way, as a garlicky odor will most likely be permeating from his person, particularly his breath. There are also other concerns with DMSO, including the fact that it is so effective a solvent and carrier that it pulls just about anything with a small enough molecular weight into the skin with it. Users should be cautious to thoroughly clean the skin before applying, and be cognizant of what comes into contact the area soon after. Some go so far as to use plastic-wrap, which protects both the skin from contaminants and the steroid application from rubbing off. DMSO users also frequently report minor side effects such as itching or burning rashes at the site of administration as well, which make this type of use less than perfectly comfortable for many. Pat Arnold had once made the suggestion of diluting DMSO to about 5-10% with 190 proof grain alcohol (isopropyl would work also). The alcohol acts as a carrier like DMSO, but quickly evaporates after application leaving a film of steroid and DMSO on the skin. For those very sensitive to DMSO, this mixture may allow for a less irritating (or less garlicky) dermal as you can reduce the amount used.

Raw Injection

This is the practice of simply grinding up the pellets and mixing them with an injectable oil-based steroid or vitamin compound. The pellets are typically just crushed with the back of a spoon, and the powder dropped into the open top of a syringe loaded with a low dose steroid such as Equipoise or 50mg Deca. The solution is periodically mixed (shaken) and then left to sit, so that as much powder as possible will dissolve into the solution before it is injected. Often a 21-gauge needle is needed, as the remnant powder might clog a needle of smaller size. Although effective, this process is generally thought of as the dirty way to use trenbolone. There are some clear sterility concerns, and the injection is a mix of steroid and all the pellet binders and glue. For these reasons, many who want to attempt making in injectable opt to purchase one of the commercial “Fina Injection Kits” which produce a cleaner product.

Injectable Kits

A few kits are currently being sold that offer a better way to home-brew an injectable solution from your trenbolone acetate pellets. The processes involved are much more detailed, but result in a sterile solution of 75mg/ml trenbolone acetate, free of binders and contaminants. I spoke with a well-known chemist who identifies himself as Animal, about the kit he had developed. He is very guarded about the actual ingredients, but assured me that the final solution produced by his kit was a sterile oily solution, which included a 10% benzyl alcohol content (a common anti-microbial agent used in injectable drugs). The process he outlined was as such. Crushed pellets are added to an unidentified solution, which acts as a solvent dissolving the powder. Once fully mixed, a measured amount of oil is added to the solution. After sitting for some time, a strong separation will occur such that a clear solution will sit on top of thin opaque layers of liquid (the opaque layer contains the glues and binders). The clear solution (containing the steroid) is...

BOs_LAdY
09-09-2008, 12:42 PM
removed, and the cloudy layer is left at the bottom of the bottle and discarded as waste. Syringe filters are used to further separate out the steroid, which is now transferred into a new vial. The end result is 75mg/ml of trenbolone acetate in a clean solution. A single Finaplix-H cartridge will produce over 20ml of steroid, which is quite a considerable amount, especially in light of the modest cost involved. This is hands down the most efficient way to use the pellets, but as you see does entail more work than the others.

Snorting

I received a lot of criticism when Anabolics 2000 was released and people first read my advice on snorting crushed Finaplix pellets. It seems many were baffled by this recommendation, and are convinced trenbolone cannot be used this way with any success. Yes, trenbolone, as all anabolic-androgenic steroid hormones, is not structured for ready absorption through skin or tissue membranes. But that doesn’t mean it is totally incapable of being absorbed this way, just that this is not an ideal route of administration. The reality is that it can and does work this way, albeit perhaps not as efficiently as other methods. I wouldn’t have put this practice in my book if I hadn’t seen it work, first hand, on several people. They typically snorted two to three pellets per day, one per application to make the process more tolerable. That would be a maximum dose of 60mg trenbolone acetate per day, or 420mg a week. We can take guesses as to how much exactly gets absorbed and used by the body, but even with 25% utilization rate 105mg is still an effective amount of trenbolone considering how potent an androgen it is. Off all the methods discussed in this article, snorting is one of the least efficient in terms of overall delivery, second only to oral dosing.

Oral

The crudest of all methods is simple oral dosing. Although the liver readily destroys natural steroids, a trait that makes oral administration essentially impossible without excessively high dosages, the synthetic hormone trenbolone is somewhat more resistant to hepatic metabolism in comparison. Although not enough so to stop considering trenbolone an injectable-only steroid, taken in a high enough daily dosage this resistance may be enough to allow an effective level of steroid to build in the bloodstream. I would guess several pellets per day would be needed at a minimum, perhaps even ten or more. This practice is not advised, and is the most wasteful and cost ineffective way to use these pellets, however admittedly it does bring with it a level of simplicity not found in the other modes of use.- William Llewellyn

Vyper
09-09-2008, 07:29 PM
Great Article. I tend to disagree somewhat that people don't get as good of gains as people who use Test. I'd like to see someone take Test while using Arimidex compared to someone just doing Tren (This is just my own opinion). Also, what do you think of this T3 thing people seem to be spreading around? They say that Tren effects your Thyriod so people should supplement with T3. Wouldn't that just screw you up worse when you come off both Meds?

spaceclown
09-10-2008, 07:53 AM
Very nice article Bill. I always thought the "magic" solution was fawkin retarded on the secrecy. As the solution is different from many kit makers here is what I have researched and found a majority is just BA. I would also like to point out many kit makers are no longer around so like ordering anything be sure you know whom you're are dealing with. I suggest if you plan to do these kit on a semi regular basis just buy the individual pieces seperate and save money in the long run.

Edit - Also note that you can typically find Component-TH a bit cheaper.

njmuscle66
09-10-2008, 09:36 AM
Bill-I would imagine Plo-Gel would work just as well as DMSO if it can be found?

Also anyone have any concerns with ordering carts post operation raw deal?

spaceclown
09-10-2008, 09:54 AM
Carts personally I would not be worried as you are not doing anything illegal...technically. I would not order massive quantities though just to be safe. There is no need to give LE probable cause that you are manufacturing steroids in the confines of your home. Keep in mind ORD hit mainly big players in the field. General users where not affected. Hell you here about people having packages seized all the time yet rarely hear of them being prosecuted or charged unless it was more than typical personal use order or was in powder form. That's just my opinion.

Cocktails
09-10-2008, 07:40 PM
I have been doing a small dose on a weekly basis and have NEVER felt better. Hoping to hear what you think about it's use in women.

spaceclown
09-10-2008, 08:20 PM
I have been doing a small dose on a weekly basis and have NEVER felt better. Hoping to hear what you think about it's use in women.

I would think being a strong androgen the risk of receiving some more masculine appearances would be high. Just curious your dosage.

scull
09-10-2008, 09:00 PM
Comparison of the relative potency of PO vs. SC dosing of TB on LABC weights in the Hershberger assay. SC dosing with TB was approximately 100-fold more effective in increasing LABC weight than PO TB. Relative potency estimate was based on the magnitude of the differences between the dose response curves where each route of exposure produced approximately equivalent effects. (Toxicological Sciences 70, 202-211. 2002)

could someone explain-- does this study claim that the reaction of oral TBA is 100% less effective than oral with equal dosages?or you get a more anabolic reaction thru inject reguardless?---trying to figure ,if someone had a bad experence[progestinal fat gain]with TBA oral [12 pd] would it be any different with inject?

bongd
09-10-2008, 09:16 PM
I have been doing a small dose on a weekly basis and have NEVER felt better. Hoping to hear what you think about it's use in women.

For women, I feel strongly that they should avoid heavy androgens. I've known a couple of women who are known to take tren, one of them being a year-round user. Not what I'd recommend.

Tren is pretty nice though, as long as you don't take too much. Many of my close friends tell me they can feel loopy. AFOAF started off with 100mgs EVERY OTHER DAY and front loaded 100mgs for the first few days. Needless to say, it was a little too potent for his liking and he just cruised on test for a while. Thankfully he used a short ester. He's loopy enough without the tren! :)

spaceclown
09-11-2008, 10:46 AM
Tren is pretty nice though, as long as you don't take too much. Many of my close friends tell me they can feel loopy. AFOAF started off with 100mgs EVERY OTHER DAY and front loaded 100mgs for the first few days. Needless to say, it was a little too potent for his liking and he just cruised on test for a while. Thankfully he used a short ester. He's loopy enough without the tren! :)

I think everyone reacts differently to this. Examples of some of my friends (males)
1. Takes tren-a with no test base and does not have libido issues
2. Took tren-a and his prostate swelled up big time and couldn't piss
3. Took tren-a ED (75mg-100mg) no sides whatsoever.

bongd
09-11-2008, 11:19 AM
I think everyone reacts differently to this. Examples of some of my friends (males)
1. Takes tren-a with no test base and does not have libido issues
2. Took tren-a and his prostate swelled up big time and couldn't piss
3. Took tren-a ED (75mg-100mg) no sides whatsoever.

People always have different sorts of experiences, but I've also noticed that tren can be quite variable. Fun stuff, that's for sure.

BigPot
09-12-2008, 09:13 PM
Huh. Weird. I was actually thinking about tren as one of the best libido booster.

A friend of mine uses Axio's tren (we allhave access to legit axio, so why not right :) )and he says all he thinks about is boobs, 24/7. Bad acne for him on it as well.

I was curious, but I think I'll pass on this one..

bongd
09-12-2008, 10:44 PM
Huh. Weird. I was actually thinking about tren as one of the best libido booster.

A friend of mine uses Axio's tren (we allhave access to legit axio, so why not right :) )and he says all he thinks about is boobs, 24/7. Bad acne for him on it as well.

I was curious, but I think I'll pass on this one..

That was tren with no test as a base. Leaving out the primary male androgen CAN be done, but I think that should be left to the professional ranks. I've heard of tren causing some libido issues too. But that being said, I think it's always respectful to your baby's momma to plan in advance!!!

I know my lady fair was not too impressed when I was shut down for a while. Yikes!!

BigPot
09-15-2008, 01:02 PM
That was tren with no test as a base. Leaving out the primary male androgen CAN be done, but I think that should be left to the professional ranks. I've heard of tren causing some libido issues too. But that being said, I think it's always respectful to your baby's momma to plan in advance!!!

I know my lady fair was not too impressed when I was shut down for a while. Yikes!!

Yeah... You get nothing for nothing lol. It is getting really popular as well...

Cocktails
09-23-2008, 02:21 PM
My dose is .3 ml weekly. I have known women to do .1 ml ever other day with fabulous results.
I have no sides except increased libido and a bit oily skin which is actually nice for me as I am usually very dry.
I LOVE this stuff!!

spaceclown
09-23-2008, 02:27 PM
How many mg/ml?

Cocktails
02-07-2009, 09:00 AM
My dose, which a man would find to be less then a bee sting was .10 cc a week! Yes very small. Being older and having my natural hormone levels being very low, the Tren has helped greatly with hot flashes, body aches and muscle atrophy. I look and feel alot better then women half my age. It's sweet!

kbtoy31
02-08-2009, 09:23 PM
I think spaceclown meant how many Milligrams were you using a week though? 10mgs , 25mgs, etc..?

.10cc could mean 10mgs, 7.5mgs, 15mgs and so on.

Atro-Phex
04-10-2009, 05:42 PM
that was tren with no test as a base. Leaving out the primary male androgen can be done, but i think that should be left to the professional ranks. I've heard of tren causing some libido issues too. But that being said, i think it's always respectful to your baby's momma to plan in advance!!!

I know my lady fair was not too impressed when i was shut down for a while. Yikes!!


dostinex is your friend.

ordertobe
12-29-2009, 12:09 PM
I would know if the DIAMOND PHARMA are in the ''GOOD'' product.....I think they product are amazing...probably they are overdosed

kitesforsale
12-30-2009, 02:46 AM
I would know if the DIAMOND PHARMA are in the ''GOOD'' product.....I think they product are amazing...probably they are overdosed

I starting to like this forum. Now if Tiger Woods can say out of trouble maybe I will get some work done.

basskiller
12-30-2009, 06:25 PM
the 10% benzyl alcohol may be misleading, I believe it's 10% of what is in his "magic solution" vial and not the overall finished product..