ethyl oleate and prop...methan/dutch bb'er

[jimmy]

ok, i got my EO now

its time to get it together

is 200mg/ml possable without pain?

do i need BA and BB?

i get tested in september so i need to be clear...when is best to stop using prop?

is higher doses than 50mg/ml easier to detect?

[RonnyT]

200 mg/ml is no problem. You can use it with 2% BA and 15-20% bb (dependant on the meltingpoint, lower meltinpoints need 15 % bb, higher meltingpoints 20%). In fact 0,9% BA is sufficient, but I always advise 2% BA, to be sure.

[jimmy]

thanks dutch :)

[methan]

With 2% BA and 15%BB that would be a painless finished product. One big bonus to EO is that it will dissolve much more powder than oil will, you can make 300mg/ml short-ester combo's with little to no pain if you use EO. I've got some tren/prop that totals 375mg/ml and it's painless!

[jimmy]

excelent news!

i wil make and let you know how it is

thanks again both of you :)

this board is the most helpful and knowledgable board i visit!

With 2% BA and 15%BB that would be a painless finished product. One big bonus to EO is that it will dissolve much more powder than oil will, you can make 300mg/ml short-ester combo's with little to no pain if you use EO. I've got some tren/prop that totals 375mg/ml and it's painless!

Painless if filtered throug 20 micron filter, cause only then you can be sure that it is bacteria free.
And a tip: I would wash my vials in alcohol and let them dry in the microwave, we found out the hard way.

[jimmy]

i am using .45 filters

does this make a difference?

my vials are already sterilised

[methan]

Even .2 micron filters aren't 100% effective, so why would you put your health at risk by using a filter that's more than twice as wide. Beside there's no real cost difference between a .2 micron and a .45 micron filter. Using .45 is playing the odds with an infection, sooner or later it's gonna happen.

http://www.pall.com/34445_3813.asp

[jimmy]

how much harder is it to push through a .2 filter?

i really struggle sometimes with a .45 as it is!

[Marko]

wow..love to have some tren+prop t mixxx..can somebody made me some..;)

[jimmy]

i just looked and its crashed

i made it last night

200mg/ml
2%ba
15%bb
all with EO

i didnt use any other carrier other than EO

what do i do now?

i was told to filter extra EO to the vial and bake for 1 hour at 120 degrees C

will this melt the crystals?

[rolsroyce]

I am interested to know more on this myself,never used EO but I thought from what I have read that it would hold for sure...HMMM
Dutch? Can you help on this bro????

[jimmy]

i added the extra EO to make it 150 mg/ml and it held

the prob was this altered the ba to 1% and the bb to 10%

so, i waited a day and added ba/bba to 3% and 16% to stop any post injecton crashes

[rolsroyce]

I see,how is the injection site pain at 150mg/ml? Any at all?

[jimmy]

not used it yet

ill with flu

will let you know when i do...:)

[RonnyT]

It should not crash, I'm afraid you have bad powders.

One thing, if you make a mix of EO (synthetic oil) and an oil like b.e. Arachis. It will be more thicker (see viscosity), but it mostly can "load" more. Usual a fifth is sufficient.

[jimmy]

hi dutch, thanks for the info

my powders (as you know via pm) are ok and my EO was USP grade from this link

http://www.ethyl-oleate.com/EO.htm

i made it the usual way on the stove that i always have in the past

i weighed my powder

i added the ba/bb using a chemical convertor to work out the amounts

heated till mixed

added the correct amount of EO

heated till all hormone swirls disapeared

filtered into a sterile vial

i always use this process so i cant see where i went wrong?

anyway, now the concentration is 150mg/ml it is holding @ 16%ba/3%bb so it seems good

maybe i needed 20%bb for 200mg/ml?

[RonnyT]

I usually make a testrow. On the pics you see a T-cypionate 250 mg/ml in 20% bb - 15 % bb and 10% bb. And like I posted before mix the Ethyl Oleate with a veggie oil, it will make the compound more "fatty" and thus more stable.

[RonnyT]

Here you see the result of the T-500 I created for HCL. One Testosterone ester at 500 mg/ml and another one at 500 mg/ml, like the picture shows one estrification stayed stable but was very painfull the other one totally cristalised, but... the two mixed together in the big vial was both stable and tolerable to inject. I've used this T-500 on a few "guinee pigs" and they grew like weed. I advised these high doses, cause HCL sells to powerlifters and strongman in Scandinavia. See the scientific explanation:

Volume and Concentration

Steroids come in all shapes and sizes. In other words, you can find nandrolone (or Testosterone or boldenone) esters in 25 mg/ml, 50 mg/ml, 100 mg/ml, 200 mg/ml and so forth. Is a 400 mg injection using two milliliters of a 200 mg/ml oily solution the same as using four milliliters of a 100 mg/ml solution? After all, the net amount is still 400 mg, right? Unfortunately, this isn’t the case.

Steroid concentration in the solution greatly affects the dynamics and kinetics. In this study, some of the men received a 100 mg/ml injection of nandrolone decanoate and other men received a 100 mg injection using a 25 mg/ml solution (which means they received four milliliters, of course). Those that received the 100 mg/ml injection reached significantly higher (between 30% and 50%) plasma levels of nandrolone than those who got 100 mg via the 25 mg/ml solution. To top it off, the 100 mg/ml group’s plasma nandrolone level stayed elevated for a little bit longer; however, the length of suppression of endogenous Testosterone was almost identical.

What does this tell us? It tells us that if we want to maximize plasma levels of hormone (and thereby, maximize gains in lean muscle) we want to opt for the most concentrated version of whatever steroid(s) we decide we’re going to use. If we’re using Testosterone, we surely want to use a 200mg/ml enanthate over something like 100mg enanthate. If we’re using nandrolone, we want to use XXX 300mg/ml stuff over 50mg/ml or 100mg/ml nandrolone decanoate made by others.

Reference

The Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics, Vol 281, No. 1; 93-102, 1997.
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/reprint/281/1/93.pdf

[jimmy]

And like I posted before mix the Ethyl Oleate with a veggie oil, it will make the compound more "fatty" and thus more stable.


the problem for me here is that i get tested and i didnt want to effect the detection times of the prop by using anything other than EO

Why use BB an EO?

Take 30%EO, 2%Ba and rest oil.
you can easily solve 150mg/ml tren-a in it
or 100mg/ml testo-p

or take 50% EO and 50% castor-oil , dont forget BA
this solvent is very liquid and you can solve 300mg/ml and more

[Romme]

And like I posted before mix the Ethyl Oleate with a veggie oil, it will make the compound more "fatty" and thus more stable.


the problem for me here is that i get tested and i didnt want to effect the detection times of the prop by using anything other than EO

Now, may i ask you what dosages you will use. Furthermore, do you know exactly when they're going to test you (as i am only familiar with un-announced once, which you cant plan for)?

[jimmy]

Why use BB an EO?

Take 30%EO, 2%Ba and rest oil.
you can easily solve 150mg/ml tren-a in it
or 100mg/ml testo-p

or take 50% EO and 50% castor-oil , dont forget BA
this solvent is very liquid and you can solve 300mg/ml and more

BB is still needed even with EO

I dont use other oils in case i mess with the detection times of the drug

[jimmy]

Now, may i ask you what dosages you will use. Furthermore, do you know exactly when they're going to test you (as i am only familiar with un-announced once, which you cant plan for)?

I usually use around 500mg/ml ED but I wont be with this cycle as I cant reach these doses with prop

I may get tested on a definate date in september...depending on wether my team reaches the finals