First post with question concerning AS

[ArticA]

What's the best Test when comparing all angles i.e. side effects, lbm, strength, post cycle, least water retention, least estrogenic

and what would be your best guess at the lowest amount needed for gains? and also what would be the highest amount needed without hazard?

I vote for Test Prop
- 50mg eod or 50mg ed
- 150mg ed would be the most

p.s. my opinion is not from personal experience but from research and interviewing acquaintances. Im currently reading & studying for a possible run at first AS cycle.

[Patuba]

There is really no "best test". People's preferences determine which is the better for themselfs.

Quick acting Tests like Prop and Suspension give quick results and usually have less water retension than longer acting tests but they require frequent injects which can cause more pain, needs more sites for injections and a greater chance for infection. Also injecting Every Day or Every Other Day can be a pain in the ass.

Longer acting Tests like Cypionate or Enanthate require only 2 injections a week but can take 3 - 5 weeks before results are noticed. They usually also have more water retension associated with them.

Test Sustenon offers both short and long acting esters but there is usually debates on injection frequency for best results. Some argue that you have to inject EOD to keep Test levels stable for the quick esters but this would build up levels of long esters.

Another thing to think about gear is the type of gear you buy. There is Veternary Gear, Underground Gear and Human Grade. Human grade is the most expensive but is the highest quality. Underground Gear depends on the makers but when buying Underground Gear you have to consider if it is sterile or if you have to bake it to prevent infection. You also have to wonder if it is dosed correctly or if it is legit or not. Also if there will be much pain with the injection. Vet Grade is usually very cheap and easy to obtain but with all gear you have to be careful of counterfits and if they are dosed acurately, some Vet Gear can be more painful than Human Grade but it varies by manufacturer. I've used Vet Gear and have never had problems with infection, counterfiets or pain.

Another question is about Post Cycle Therapy. Short estered Tests require PCT to start immediately as they exit the body quickly while longer estered Tests a person can wait a few weeks before Post Cycle Therapy is needed.

In the end, the best Test is what you can afford and what results you want. If you want less bloat and quick results then a short acting ester is prefered. If bloat isn't a factor and you are willing to wait a few weeks for results and have less injections then a longer ester is prefered.

[FLANKER]

a bump for patubas answer, also another factor is which oral steroid your stacking it with, I prefer sust myself because i like the added sex-drive..

[w_llewellyn]

I just want to add one thing. DIfferent esters of the same drug should really be looked at as the same in regards to their benefits and side effects. Esters only slow the relase of testosterone (jn this case). Given regular use for bodybuilding purposes, you are going to build very high levels of both testosterone and estrogen regardless of the ester, or how long the first few shots took to release into the blood stream. You may notice results coming on faster with say Test suspension, but over the course of the cycle, qualitatively they shouldn't be any different than any other form of testosterone (mg for mg of course).

[ArticA]

Awesome answer Patuba. Thanks a lot.

[Ousooner]

Dear Sir, I think you have have asked a smart and responsible question. One should never jump into anything like using steroids without some serious thought. There are many schools of thought on this subject. The whole idea encompasses how to use this drug with the best results with the least short term and long term side effects. One must take enough of the drug to promote sufficient gains while minimizing adverse reactions. If you were to look at what doctors prescribe being on the low end, (and doctors do prescribe this drug without much problem), and what some athletes take on the high end, there has to be a dosage to take and remain healthy and safe. If one were to take lets say 200mg to 300mg of test cyp per week, that would probably be considered a very mild dose or even a waste of money but this dosage would probably minimize the chances of some of the serious side effects that could cause long term problems. Psa, DHT, and Chem 25 's test's should be little affected. If this dose did create tissue and strength gains then the dosage should be acceptable. It should allow more frequent cycles for a longer peroid. I know plenty of athletes who stay around that dosage and do fine and make amazing and long term gains. There many other variables one should consider. Remember if you cause health problems by taking steroids you have defeated your purpose. There will be a happy medium. Being healthy is pretty high on my list.

[Marko]

i like t.propionate

marko